Teen Gothic

Something similar to Twin Tribes, but not mostly based on romantic love

i already listen to the music but now i want the clothing and makeup but she says it’s devilish and that i can’t dress like that until im out of her house and it’s annoying. what should i tell her to let me dress goth

Or "baby bat", whichever you prefer.

In the early 00s, I saw "babybat" everywhere. A term of endearment and acceptance. Someone new to the subculture who listened to actual goth music, unlike the edgy teenagers who mistook Marilyn Manson and Slipknot for goth musicians. (There was a derogatory phrase for those people: "spookykids".)

Lots of members of this sub have used that phrase. Whenever I did, I was met with disapproval. "It's extremely patronizing."

Which is it? What are your thoughts?

Been SO long since I got a chance to bust out the dreadfalls!

just wanted to see if anyone else noticed this
feel free to correct me if im wrong throughout this post cuz I'm a baby bat lawl (also this isn't me calling anyone a poseur, its simply an observation!) also I've included links for examples of what I am talking about.

I don't know if anyone else has noticed this but modern "trad" goths that u see on social media are really actually dressed more like goths from the late 90's to early 00's. If you look up trad goth on tiktok and pinterest u see people in all black makeup and all black clothes that u would find in an early 2000s lip service mag. I don't hate this look at all, I love it actually! Though, I wonder where all the 80's magic of tradgoth disappeared for people. Maybe an elder goth can back me up on this but when I look at pictures of goths in the 80's they typically had a lot more color in their makeup, hair, and clothes than you would see if you looked up pictures of modern tradgoths. There's also a lot of sweaters, huge belts, huge earrings, and things that typically gear toward more general 80's fashion. Maybe I'm wrong and tradgoths did dress like that (because I'm a teenager so I was nowhere near the original scene haha), but this is my observation. And before anyone says "who cares", I'm not pressed or upset about it lol